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vs. Not So Bad Down Here

Strategy added by DragonAfterDark

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Incl. steps:

Not So Bad Down Here 141077
Special or not:0Special or not:11112184138742138742

Skills: 1 1 1
Breed: Any

Trompicón
This pet can have the following breeds:

Breed Health Speed Power
HS 1546 289 260


Special or not:0Special or not:220217259722997229

Skills: 2 * 2
Breed: Any

Gruñoncito
This pet can have the following breeds:

Breed Health Speed Power
PB 1506 249 305
PS 1441 265 305
PP 1441 236 341


Special or not:0Special or not:100113497374173741

Skills: * * 1
Breed: Any

Pequeño ayudante podrido
This pet can have the following breeds:

Breed Health Speed Power
PP 1359 260 333


Substitutes:

1
Note: You have selected a substitute pet.
The strategy might fail if you use it with this pet instead of the one the strategy creator intended.

The substitute finder looks for these criteria in relation to the original pet:
  • Same family
  • Has the required skills
  • Has the required stats (if specified)
  • Ignores specific breed requirements for the main pet, as breeds can be very different for substitutes

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Turno 1
Trompicón
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Gruñoncito
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Regalo de Grinch
Pass
Bring in your Trompicón
Bring in your Gruñoncito
Bring in your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Swap to your Trompicón
Swap to your Gruñoncito
Swap to your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Carnada comes in
Bruce comes in
Fauces Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Trompicón
Gruñoncito
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Regalo de Grinch
Fauces Jr.
Bruce
Carnada
Important: Please enter your instructions in English or a large parts of the community will not be able to read them.
Some typical sentences are translated automatically. Move your mouse over this part for more details.
The following strings are auto-translated if you enter them in the defined format. It is recommended to use them where possible:
[spell=Spellname] - [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] - [enemy=Enemyname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [enemy=Enemyname] dies
Swap back to [pet=Petname]
[spell=Spellname] until the fight is won
Turno 2
Trompicón
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Gruñoncito
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Regalo de Grinch
Pass
Bring in your Trompicón
Bring in your Gruñoncito
Bring in your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Swap to your Trompicón
Swap to your Gruñoncito
Swap to your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Carnada comes in
Bruce comes in
Fauces Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Trompicón
Gruñoncito
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Regalo de Grinch
Fauces Jr.
Bruce
Carnada
Important: Please enter your instructions in English or a large parts of the community will not be able to read them.
Some typical sentences are translated automatically. Move your mouse over this part for more details.
The following strings are auto-translated if you enter them in the defined format. It is recommended to use them where possible:
[spell=Spellname] - [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] - [enemy=Enemyname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [enemy=Enemyname] dies
Swap back to [pet=Petname]
[spell=Spellname] until the fight is won
Turno 3
Trompicón
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Gruñoncito
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Regalo de Grinch
Pass
Bring in your Trompicón
Bring in your Gruñoncito
Bring in your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Swap to your Trompicón
Swap to your Gruñoncito
Swap to your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Carnada comes in
Bruce comes in
Fauces Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Trompicón
Gruñoncito
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Regalo de Grinch
Fauces Jr.
Bruce
Carnada
Important: Please enter your instructions in English or a large parts of the community will not be able to read them.
Some typical sentences are translated automatically. Move your mouse over this part for more details.
The following strings are auto-translated if you enter them in the defined format. It is recommended to use them where possible:
[spell=Spellname] - [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] - [enemy=Enemyname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [enemy=Enemyname] dies
Swap back to [pet=Petname]
[spell=Spellname] until the fight is won
Turno 4
Trompicón
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Gruñoncito
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Regalo de Grinch
Pass
Bring in your Trompicón
Bring in your Gruñoncito
Bring in your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Swap to your Trompicón
Swap to your Gruñoncito
Swap to your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Carnada comes in
Bruce comes in
Fauces Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Trompicón
Gruñoncito
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Regalo de Grinch
Fauces Jr.
Bruce
Carnada
Important: Please enter your instructions in English or a large parts of the community will not be able to read them.
Some typical sentences are translated automatically. Move your mouse over this part for more details.
The following strings are auto-translated if you enter them in the defined format. It is recommended to use them where possible:
[spell=Spellname] - [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] - [enemy=Enemyname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [enemy=Enemyname] dies
Swap back to [pet=Petname]
[spell=Spellname] until the fight is won
Turno 5
Trompicón
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Gruñoncito
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Regalo de Grinch
Pass
Bring in your Trompicón
Bring in your Gruñoncito
Bring in your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Swap to your Trompicón
Swap to your Gruñoncito
Swap to your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Carnada comes in
Bruce comes in
Fauces Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Trompicón
Gruñoncito
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Regalo de Grinch
Fauces Jr.
Bruce
Carnada
Important: Please enter your instructions in English or a large parts of the community will not be able to read them.
Some typical sentences are translated automatically. Move your mouse over this part for more details.
The following strings are auto-translated if you enter them in the defined format. It is recommended to use them where possible:
[spell=Spellname] - [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] - [enemy=Enemyname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [enemy=Enemyname] dies
Swap back to [pet=Petname]
[spell=Spellname] until the fight is won
Turno 6-8
Bola de nieve (One of these rounds might be a stun. Pass, and use Bola de nieve until Congelación profunda comes off CD)
Trompicón
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Gruñoncito
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Regalo de Grinch
Pass
Bring in your Trompicón
Bring in your Gruñoncito
Bring in your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Swap to your Trompicón
Swap to your Gruñoncito
Swap to your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Carnada comes in
Bruce comes in
Fauces Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Trompicón
Gruñoncito
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Regalo de Grinch
Fauces Jr.
Bruce
Carnada
Important: Please enter your instructions in English or a large parts of the community will not be able to read them.
Some typical sentences are translated automatically. Move your mouse over this part for more details.
The following strings are auto-translated if you enter them in the defined format. It is recommended to use them where possible:
[spell=Spellname] - [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] - [enemy=Enemyname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [enemy=Enemyname] dies
Swap back to [pet=Petname]
[spell=Spellname] until the fight is won
Turno 9
Trompicón
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Gruñoncito
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Regalo de Grinch
Pass
Bring in your Trompicón
Bring in your Gruñoncito
Bring in your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Swap to your Trompicón
Swap to your Gruñoncito
Swap to your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Carnada comes in
Bruce comes in
Fauces Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Trompicón
Gruñoncito
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Regalo de Grinch
Fauces Jr.
Bruce
Carnada
Important: Please enter your instructions in English or a large parts of the community will not be able to read them.
Some typical sentences are translated automatically. Move your mouse over this part for more details.
The following strings are auto-translated if you enter them in the defined format. It is recommended to use them where possible:
[spell=Spellname] - [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] - [enemy=Enemyname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [enemy=Enemyname] dies
Swap back to [pet=Petname]
[spell=Spellname] until the fight is won
Turno 10
Trompicón
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Gruñoncito
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Regalo de Grinch
Pass
Bring in your Trompicón
Bring in your Gruñoncito
Bring in your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Swap to your Trompicón
Swap to your Gruñoncito
Swap to your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Carnada comes in
Bruce comes in
Fauces Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Trompicón
Gruñoncito
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Regalo de Grinch
Fauces Jr.
Bruce
Carnada
Important: Please enter your instructions in English or a large parts of the community will not be able to read them.
Some typical sentences are translated automatically. Move your mouse over this part for more details.
The following strings are auto-translated if you enter them in the defined format. It is recommended to use them where possible:
[spell=Spellname] - [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] - [enemy=Enemyname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [enemy=Enemyname] dies
Swap back to [pet=Petname]
[spell=Spellname] until the fight is won
Turno 11+
Bola de nieve until Carnada & Bruce are dead
Trompicón
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Gruñoncito
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Regalo de Grinch
Pass
Bring in your Trompicón
Bring in your Gruñoncito
Bring in your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Swap to your Trompicón
Swap to your Gruñoncito
Swap to your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Carnada comes in
Bruce comes in
Fauces Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Trompicón
Gruñoncito
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Regalo de Grinch
Fauces Jr.
Bruce
Carnada
Important: Please enter your instructions in English or a large parts of the community will not be able to read them.
Some typical sentences are translated automatically. Move your mouse over this part for more details.
The following strings are auto-translated if you enter them in the defined format. It is recommended to use them where possible:
[spell=Spellname] - [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] - [enemy=Enemyname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [enemy=Enemyname] dies
Swap back to [pet=Petname]
[spell=Spellname] until the fight is won
Entra Fauces Jr..
Trompicón
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Gruñoncito
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Regalo de Grinch
Pass
Bring in your Trompicón
Bring in your Gruñoncito
Bring in your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Swap to your Trompicón
Swap to your Gruñoncito
Swap to your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Carnada comes in
Bruce comes in
Fauces Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Trompicón
Gruñoncito
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Regalo de Grinch
Fauces Jr.
Bruce
Carnada
Important: Please enter your instructions in English or a large parts of the community will not be able to read them.
Some typical sentences are translated automatically. Move your mouse over this part for more details.
The following strings are auto-translated if you enter them in the defined format. It is recommended to use them where possible:
[spell=Spellname] - [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] - [enemy=Enemyname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [enemy=Enemyname] dies
Swap back to [pet=Petname]
[spell=Spellname] until the fight is won
Turno 1
Flash Freeze (You might die here, if so, just skip Whomper's remaining turns and go to next pet)
Trompicón
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Gruñoncito
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Regalo de Grinch
Pass
Bring in your Trompicón
Bring in your Gruñoncito
Bring in your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Swap to your Trompicón
Swap to your Gruñoncito
Swap to your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Carnada comes in
Bruce comes in
Fauces Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Trompicón
Gruñoncito
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Regalo de Grinch
Fauces Jr.
Bruce
Carnada
Important: Please enter your instructions in English or a large parts of the community will not be able to read them.
Some typical sentences are translated automatically. Move your mouse over this part for more details.
The following strings are auto-translated if you enter them in the defined format. It is recommended to use them where possible:
[spell=Spellname] - [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] - [enemy=Enemyname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [enemy=Enemyname] dies
Swap back to [pet=Petname]
[spell=Spellname] until the fight is won
Turno 2
Trompicón
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Gruñoncito
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Regalo de Grinch
Pass
Bring in your Trompicón
Bring in your Gruñoncito
Bring in your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Swap to your Trompicón
Swap to your Gruñoncito
Swap to your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Carnada comes in
Bruce comes in
Fauces Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Trompicón
Gruñoncito
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Regalo de Grinch
Fauces Jr.
Bruce
Carnada
Important: Please enter your instructions in English or a large parts of the community will not be able to read them.
Some typical sentences are translated automatically. Move your mouse over this part for more details.
The following strings are auto-translated if you enter them in the defined format. It is recommended to use them where possible:
[spell=Spellname] - [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] - [enemy=Enemyname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [enemy=Enemyname] dies
Swap back to [pet=Petname]
[spell=Spellname] until the fight is won
Turno 3+
Bola de nieve until Whomper dies
Trompicón
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Gruñoncito
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Regalo de Grinch
Pass
Bring in your Trompicón
Bring in your Gruñoncito
Bring in your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Swap to your Trompicón
Swap to your Gruñoncito
Swap to your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Carnada comes in
Bruce comes in
Fauces Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Trompicón
Gruñoncito
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Regalo de Grinch
Fauces Jr.
Bruce
Carnada
Important: Please enter your instructions in English or a large parts of the community will not be able to read them.
Some typical sentences are translated automatically. Move your mouse over this part for more details.
The following strings are auto-translated if you enter them in the defined format. It is recommended to use them where possible:
[spell=Spellname] - [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] - [enemy=Enemyname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [enemy=Enemyname] dies
Swap back to [pet=Petname]
[spell=Spellname] until the fight is won
Saca tu Gruñoncito.
Trompicón
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Gruñoncito
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Regalo de Grinch
Pass
Bring in your Trompicón
Bring in your Gruñoncito
Bring in your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Swap to your Trompicón
Swap to your Gruñoncito
Swap to your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Carnada comes in
Bruce comes in
Fauces Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Trompicón
Gruñoncito
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Regalo de Grinch
Fauces Jr.
Bruce
Carnada
Important: Please enter your instructions in English or a large parts of the community will not be able to read them.
Some typical sentences are translated automatically. Move your mouse over this part for more details.
The following strings are auto-translated if you enter them in the defined format. It is recommended to use them where possible:
[spell=Spellname] - [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] - [enemy=Enemyname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [enemy=Enemyname] dies
Swap back to [pet=Petname]
[spell=Spellname] until the fight is won
Turno 1
Trompicón
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Gruñoncito
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Regalo de Grinch
Pass
Bring in your Trompicón
Bring in your Gruñoncito
Bring in your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Swap to your Trompicón
Swap to your Gruñoncito
Swap to your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Carnada comes in
Bruce comes in
Fauces Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Trompicón
Gruñoncito
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Regalo de Grinch
Fauces Jr.
Bruce
Carnada
Important: Please enter your instructions in English or a large parts of the community will not be able to read them.
Some typical sentences are translated automatically. Move your mouse over this part for more details.
The following strings are auto-translated if you enter them in the defined format. It is recommended to use them where possible:
[spell=Spellname] - [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] - [enemy=Enemyname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [enemy=Enemyname] dies
Swap back to [pet=Petname]
[spell=Spellname] until the fight is won
Turno 2+
Bola de nieve hasta que Gruñoncito muera
Trompicón
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Gruñoncito
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Regalo de Grinch
Pass
Bring in your Trompicón
Bring in your Gruñoncito
Bring in your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Swap to your Trompicón
Swap to your Gruñoncito
Swap to your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Carnada comes in
Bruce comes in
Fauces Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Trompicón
Gruñoncito
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Regalo de Grinch
Fauces Jr.
Bruce
Carnada
Important: Please enter your instructions in English or a large parts of the community will not be able to read them.
Some typical sentences are translated automatically. Move your mouse over this part for more details.
The following strings are auto-translated if you enter them in the defined format. It is recommended to use them where possible:
[spell=Spellname] - [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] - [enemy=Enemyname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [enemy=Enemyname] dies
Swap back to [pet=Petname]
[spell=Spellname] until the fight is won
Trompicón
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Gruñoncito
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Regalo de Grinch
Pass
Bring in your Trompicón
Bring in your Gruñoncito
Bring in your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Swap to your Trompicón
Swap to your Gruñoncito
Swap to your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Carnada comes in
Bruce comes in
Fauces Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Trompicón
Gruñoncito
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Regalo de Grinch
Fauces Jr.
Bruce
Carnada
Important: Please enter your instructions in English or a large parts of the community will not be able to read them.
Some typical sentences are translated automatically. Move your mouse over this part for more details.
The following strings are auto-translated if you enter them in the defined format. It is recommended to use them where possible:
[spell=Spellname] - [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] - [enemy=Enemyname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [enemy=Enemyname] dies
Swap back to [pet=Petname]
[spell=Spellname] until the fight is won
Turno 1
Trompicón
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Gruñoncito
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Regalo de Grinch
Pass
Bring in your Trompicón
Bring in your Gruñoncito
Bring in your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Swap to your Trompicón
Swap to your Gruñoncito
Swap to your Pequeño ayudante podrido
Carnada comes in
Bruce comes in
Fauces Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Trompicón
Gruñoncito
Pequeño ayudante podrido
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Congelación apresurada
Bola de nieve
Congelación profunda
Regalo de Grinch
Fauces Jr.
Bruce
Carnada
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[spell=Spellname] - [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] - [enemy=Enemyname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [pet=Petname] dies
[spell=Spellname] until [enemy=Enemyname] dies
Swap back to [pet=Petname]
[spell=Spellname] until the fight is won

Wet paws are always bad.



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